WCD Board Member Eric Madland's Interview
How long have you been playing darts?I first started throwing darts when I was in college, at the University of Illinois, about 1986. We played steel tip, at my fraternity, Psi Upsilon. I also played plastic tip at a local bar, The Illini Inn. I first started throwing in Windy City in 1990, out of Somebody's in Arlington Heights.
What type of darts were the 1st that you threw?
I don't know what brand they are, but they were relatively heavy, probably 25 or 26 grams, fixed point. I still have them.
How did you get into the game?
One of my friends from school, John Janikowski, started throwing with some a few people he knew. The next season he asked me to join their team, The Righteous Dudes. That name was around for a long time. It was a lot of fun. Back then I think we had 10 people on the team. Eventually, it was mostly friends from high school, college or the neighborhood.
Where did you get your first set of darts from?
I think they were from Jon's Pipe Shop, a cigar store in Champaign, Illinois US
What kind of flights do you throw?
I used to throw Dimplex flights, but now I usually throw standard style Marathon flights.
Do you practice?
I haven't practiced much. Lately I have been playing 2-3 nights a week in league. The only practice I get is Friday and Saturday night with friends when I go out. It's not specifically practice, but we throw all night.
Eric, Your stroke and release are quite smooth. Your darts are on target and you move little of your body other than your throwing arm. Did you work on this or did this come naturally to you?
A lot of it is natural. My stance and general throw is probably very similar to when I started. I have worked on minor aspects of it to be more precise and consistent. I'll remind myself, or run through a routine, to remember to do certain things, similar to a golfer. One of the things that I do is, I try to keep my forearm vertical, so I try to keep my elbow in.
Do you have a board setup at home, and can you provide a picture?
Unfortunately, I don't have it set up now. I recently moved and haven't decided where to set it up yet, but it will be up soon.
Tell me about your 1st Ton80?
I don't remember exactly when I hit my first T80, but it wasn't long after I started. If it wasn't during my first season, it must have been the second. It must have been beginners luck! It was at Durty Nellies. Right after I hit it, people from both teams were congratulating me. I knew it was a good shot, but I didn't realize how special it was at the time. Not sure if I won! I probably lost, you know, the curse of the T80.
How many teams do you play on?
Currently three. I play WCD Open League and Mixed league out of Rocky Vander's and just this season started throwing WCD Saturday League out of Sponge Reef. (Editor's Note: Sponge Reef must be your favorite home bar!)
Saturday Teammate out of Sponge Reef vs. Thursday on the Rocky Vander's team Double Trouble
Todd Stover, Sherilyn J. Herkey, Andy Herkey, Jim Klopke and Eric Madland
What is the most number of teams that you have thrown on?
Three is the most. For a long time, I only played Windy City Open League. A few years back I played a few seasons in the West Suburban Dart League. I stopped that when I started throwing Mixed league, as they are both on Thursday. I did throw one season of Cricket League, and this is my first season of Saturday League.
What are your favorite tournaments and why?
I like both the Windy City Cup and Open. Being a Nickel shooter, I like the classification events. Oddly enough, there are more classification events during the Open than during the Cup.
What is the farthest that you have traveled to a tournament?
I haven't traveled much, although, I want to do it more. I went to a tournament in Cleveland, just to see how I would do in an open competition.
Was it tons of fun?
It was fun, although the only other person I knew was Isen Veljic. I didn't win any money but won a few games. I liked being the unknown.
How competitive are you and where do you want to be in 5 years with regard to darts?
I'm very competitive. I always try to put my full concentration into every dart, regardless of the score. I try to win every match, but I don't judge myself on wins and losses. I put pressure on myself to shoot well, not just win. I like challenges and I think I throw my best games against strong competition. I'm striving to be a good Tungsten level shooter. I've been improving over the last 5 years and I'll be there someday soon.
What made you want to run for the position of board member?
I heard they had an open board position, and I talked to Peter Citera and told him I was interested. I was not too busy at the time, and I thought I could help. I didn't have anything I wanted to change at the time, just wanted to see first-hand how things are run. It is a lot of work, but very rewarding.
Do you think you can change the world of WCD as a board member?
Well, I can't do it myself, but we can change things. We just need ideas and suggestions. We have made changes, some work, others don't. We're not trying to force things on people. We want the league to be a strong as possible. We generally want the same things as our membership. The board of directors are WCD participants too.
What are some of your responsibilities as a board member?
For quite a while now, I have held the position of league Secretary. The major responsibility of that position is to record the minutes of the meetings, which I admit I am a bit behind on now. I have the written minutes, but am a bit behind on typing them up for the record. We have board meeting every one or weeks to discuss league issues and plan upcoming events. Most of my other responsibilities are the same as the other board members. I help set-up and tear down at tournaments and during tournaments I fill in where needed, whether it is announcing matches, running brackets or doing payouts. Outside of tournaments, like other board members, I run Pro-Am and All-Star qualifiers and attend top 4 and finals matches.
With regard to board member activities, what is the day-day of your week like?
A typical week is usually a board meeting on Wednesday night, and sometimes running a qualifier tournament on a Friday or Saturday.
What kind of time commitment is this?
Of course it varies, depending upon the time of the season, but usually one or two nights a week. During mid-season it is not too bad, things usually run smoothly. Between seasons is the busiest, as once finals are done, ratings have to be updated and the next season has to be scheduled. It can be hectic with team records coming in late or not at all, and with lots of late team additions for the upcoming season. Luckily, we have great office help, Linda Scott.
How many hours per week are you devoted to board member commitments?
It can be as few as 2 or as many as 16-20.
Does being a board member interfere with the time/energies that you have available left over to actually throw darts?
Usually not. I actually throw more now than when I wasn't on the board. You get really involved in WCD on the board, so you just want to throw more often. It can be difficult during the Open and Cup, but we usually work things out so board members still have the time to throw.
If there is one thing that you can change with regard to WCD rules and the board, what would this be?
Our ratings system needs to be revised. We actually are working on this, and changes are in process. It involves some computer programming, which has been the biggest stumbling block. I will be completed soon, hopefully by 2009. Ratings are difficult. Win-Loss records do not always indicate the level of a darter. We try our best by utilizing win-loss records and the level of competition, based on the division that the player shoots in. There are more complicated systems, that might involve a point per dart average, or exact ratings of opponents, but those would involve a lot more record keeping for captains and the league. That is not easy with a league of this size.
What is the best and most fulfilling aspect of being a board member?
Easily the best part is after a successful tournament like the Windy City Open or Cup. There are not many tournaments of that size in the country. Getting compliments from Pros or well traveled darters always makes it worthwhile.
What is the most challenging part of being a board member?
It's definitely balancing different views of members. This is a really large league, with a huge range of skill levels and interests in darts. The tournaments are great, are not always successful from a financial point of view. WCD exists because of the league. A successful league makes the tournaments possible. We have to realize that the majority of the league is casual darters. By casual, I am not referring to their skill level, as some casual darters are very skilled. What I mean is that they look at the dart league as recreational competition. It might just be an excuse to get together with some friends once a week. For a lot of these people, one night is enough as they have other commitments such as family or jobs.
Our committed darters (or Passionate Darters!), the ones who participate in most of the events, are unfortunately a small minority. We, of course, want to please the supporters of our league, while still keeping in mind the league as a whole.
As a board member, what is important to you, i.e. what is YOUR focus on - league play, growing membership, the pro-ams, getting the pros over here for the Open?
I am most interested in league play and trying to increase membership. Increasing membership is difficult to do as a board alone. It requires the help of everyone in the league, by talking up the league to other darters, and recruiting new members. Active bar owners are also a crucial part in the growth of the league. They need to look at a dart team as a revenue source. Getting 10-15 darters in the bar on what could be a slow night (Monday, Tuesday or Thursday), can really pay off. Especially, when those darters go back to the bar on non-league night to hang out and practice.
What do you say to those darters who insist the board is ONLY concerned with tournaments and getting the international players over here?
I'd say that's not true at all. For me, it's the opposite. The board knows that my focus is the local darter. I like the Pros that I have met, and their presence at our tournaments give us credibility and respect in the US and international dart community. That being said, I (and the board) realize that without a successful local dart league, the Windy City Open and Cup won't exist.
Are there disagreements between you and fellow board members and how do you deal with this?
Of course there are differences in opinion. I think that's good. With any group, you'll have differences. The individual members on the board are very diverse. Some, like Peter Citera, Jim Askham and Merry MacGregor, have been on the board for a long time. Others are relatively new. Most of the board members live and play in the city, but we now have some suburban representation as well. But, all have played darts in WCD for a long time. I feel that I can honestly say that we are able to discuss differences at the meetings and arrive at a solution, or compromise, that best suits WCD. Once a decision is made, we are all pretty much united and supportive of that decision, which is important.
Tell me about the importance of volunteer who assist in setting up for pro-ams and tournaments?
The volunteers are extremely important. We wouldn't be able to do what we do without the additional volunteers. Many of these people have done it for years, like Tina Muscare and John Naughton. Karen and Missy Nirtaut were volunteers for years and are now on the board. Even though it is work, it can still be fun. We try to acknowledge and thank them as much as we can.
Why can't you get MORE volunteers?
We try. We never turn anyone down! If anyone can volunteer, PLEASE let us know.
Do you believe that everyone on the board has the same goals and works together well?
I think the current board works together very well. We all generally want a successful and growing league.
Do you think the board is "clique-ish"?
No, not at all. We are all friends. As such, some hang out together, just like any friends. But it's not an exclusive group at all. We try to encourage more people to run for the board. We can always use new people and fresh ideas.
How are difference of opinions dealt with and who makes the final decision when there are disagreements?
Sometimes there may be a committee that makes a recommendation, but regardless, all decisions are brought up to the board as a whole, discussed and voted on.
We all know you cannot make all the people happy all the time - what new things do you provide the darters with?
Some of the new events that have started or been restarted, since I have been on the board include the Windy City/Grand Rapids Challenge, Windy City/Southside Challenge, the Wednesday Cricket League, the Youth League and the PDC involvement in the Windy City Open. We also, at one point tried to bring back the City Classification Championship, but there wasn't much interest.
By they way, Karen Askham and Ron Koffski do a great job with the Youth League. It is a fun way to get young people interested in darts. If anyone has kids between 7 and 18, please contact the league office for more information.
How many years do you imagine being a board member?
It's hard to say. Of course, and most importantly, I need to elected. Board members serve for two year terms. At the end of their term, they need to reelected at the General Meeting of the Membership in January. My term is up at the end of the year, so I will be up for reelection in January. When I started I had more free time. In the past year or so I have started a new job and have moved. The new job and house have added some new time commitments. I also live further from the league office.
Do you ever get burned out and how do you "refresh" and go back to do it all over again?
Honestly, there are times when I get burned out, but usually all it takes is a few fun league nights to get the energy back.
Tell me about some of the successes that have been implemented by the board?
I think we've done a good job with the tournaments, the Open and Cup. We found a new venue, the Holiday Inn, which was much better in all aspects than the Purple Hotel. However, due to their scheduling errors, were forced to scramble to get a venue for the latest Open. Considering this was a last minute reschedule, and we had records floods that weekend, the tournament went very well. The new website is much better than the old one, and information is posted in a much timelier manner. We hope improve communication to our members even more by better utilizing the website and e-mail.
What new ideas do YOU have to make the WCD the best that it can be?
I would like to make the leagues run better. I would like to develop a system to utilize current technology to make things better, such as utilizing e-mail for registration, standings and reporting scores instead of using the regular mail.
What's your biggest frustration with being a board member?
Sometimes it's difficult to not be a board member, just a darter. People always want to discuss some league issue. Usually I don't mind, but sometimes the discussions take me away from the reason I came out…just to play darts! I appreciate the comments and suggestions, but at times I wish I had a button that said, "I'm not a board member now".
Some of your responses seem very politically correct - everything, including the Windy City Board, cannot always be as rosy as one might think. What do YOU think?
I do want to clear things up a bit. Everything is not perfect on the board. But I don't expect it to be. It's a group of volunteers running a large organization. So maybe I overlook some of our shortcomings realizing that we are trying the best we can. The sad reality is that there is not a list of people wanting to be on the board. I'm disappointed that in the last TWO elections, no one, other than existing board members ran for the board. Yet, there are no shortages of criticisms or complaints about the board. I (and the board) welcome any suggestions to improve WCD. But general complaints, without some suggestions, are not constructive. We also welcome any volunteers that want to give time for a particular item, but do not necessarily want to be on the board. For example, Thom Goodwin has been fabulous with the new website. I believe he basically designed it himself and does occasional updates!
Please, I do NOT want to use this time (or venue) to complain. I don't want to further a board vs. members attitude. It's not right, we are members too.
I also realize that I do not want to publicly criticize anyone on the board. That would only hurt the league that I volunteer my time to help! However, I am honest when I say I respect everyone on the board. All of have different amounts of time that we can offer. We have different skills that we offer. But, the point is, we offer what we can. I'm not criticizing anyone when they have the good of the league in their hearts. I'm not being politically correct when I say this, but I do think we (the current board) put the league first.
I know I am far from a perfect board member. But for most of us WCD is at least fourth on our priority list behind our family, job and personal things. I'm sure there are others out there that can do a better job, they just need to offer.
Overall, I'm really proud of our current board. I know we are not the only ones out there that care about WCD.
Off subject a bit, one difficult aspect of the board is that we are at times asked to be the "bar police" for everyone in the league. We'll get complaints about a person's (darter, or board member) behavior at a bar, usually involving something that person did or said. We are asked to intervene and do something about it. We'll take appropriate action if a confrontation occurs during a WCD event or league play, but outside of that, we have no control or authority.
Enough of my rambling, back to your questions...
I know you touched on this, but specifically how do you handle disagreements with other board memebers?
Ok, back to board stuff. We disagree on a lot of stuff. On most items it comes down to a board vote, majority rules. Other things, may be decided by a committee, or even a chairman. Sometimes, some decisions are made by a chairperson of a committee, because, either they are the person in charge of that item, or they have the experience of doing it in the past. It's not very efficient to have every agenda item come to a vote. I don't agree with everything, but you aren't going to get 100% agreement with any group of people.
Right, wrong, or indifferent, do you support board members simply because they are board members and volunteers giving their hearts to the board?
I'll clarify that a bit. I support board decisions whether I agree or not. I do that because if you are part of a group, you have to realize that everything will not go your way. If board members started not supporting board decisions because they disagree with it, the board (or any group), would fall apart and wouldn't be able to do its job. That's not to say, I won't say when I disagree with it, but I still have to go by the board decision.
If you are talking about individuals, I don't necessarily support them just because they are on the board. I've had some disagreements with a few, so I don't necessarily support everything they do.
What qualities make the best board member?
You have to be hard working. It takes some time and dedication. You have to be strong enough to voice your opinion and humble enough to accept when it doesn't go your way.
People skills are definitely required. You interact with a lot of people and you need to get along, or at least work with, all types.
It helps to be open minded and base your opinions solely on your experiences, and not on what others think.
As long as we're being upfront and honest about being on the board, tell me Eric, do emotions get in the way of making decisions as board members?
At times yes. It could be a control issue, or it could be a reluctance to change, but it happens once in a while.
Do you ever get frustrated as a board member because it takes soooo long to get things done for the benefit of the WCD members?
Definitely. Its difficult to change things.
If you rubbed a Jeanie in a bottle and were granted three wishes - what things would you make happen TODAY as a board member?
1. A better, more accurate, rating system. (That should be here soon).
2. Eliminate the mailing of standings. That would save A LOT of postage costs. They are posted regularly now on the website. E-mail is quicker and we could reach 80%-90% of members, instead of just the captains.
3. Get more bars involved. It can be a big revenue source for them, and help the league.
Back to the interview questions...
How much are you able to play and commit to darts while meeting your committments as a board member?
I currently probably commit too much time to darts and board stuff. I've got house projects that are way behind! As board members, we try to play as much as we want to. If we give up playing, to do board stuff, what's the point!
As a darter - what personal goals do you hope to achieve over the next few years?
Like I mentioned earlier, I want to continue to get better. I want to move up to the Tungsten level, and be very competitive at the top level. I want to test my skills outside of the Chicago area.
Why the passion for darts and the dedication to organizing the sport for Chicago darters?
I really like the game. I started playing because I always liked doing some type of activity, when I was out at the bars, whether that was foosball, darts or anything. Once I started playing, I was hooked. No matter how good you are, you can always get better.
After playing for years I just wanted to get more involved.
Do you travel outside Chicago to compete in tournaments?
Not much, but I will start to travel more.
What tournaments would you like to travel to in the next year or two, and what is stopping you from getting out there and traveling NOW?
It's mostly just a time and money issue. It's tough to give up a weekend, and the hotels and travel are not cheap. Since these are opens, I want to be able to think that I can at least win a match or two, possibly get in the money if I shoot well. I don't want to go, only to be knocked out in the first round 4 times. I would like to go to more of the tournaments in Michigan, maybe Ohio. Maybe Blueberry Hill in St. Louis!
What have been your best experiences competing in darts?
My two best experiences both happened at the Windy City Open. In 2003, I played in the Pro-Am for the first time. My teammates were Isen Veljic, our Tungsten shooter, and Carla Raymond, our Brass shooter. Our Pro was Dan Olsen, from Canada. We made it to the finals on stage. We came in second but it was a great experience.
Just this past year, I won the Nickel Singles Cricket. It was the first time I won a singles event. It felt great because I always felt I was a strong league player, but I was never really satisfied with my performances in the tournaments. I had come close before, but never won.
What's your favorite game?
I'm not avoiding the question, but I like them all. 501 is a good game to focus on one number. You can really post some high scores. 301 is very challenging, with doubling in and out. It can be very frustrating. Cricket is a great game because it's the only one that involves a lot of strategy. If I had to choose, I would pick cricket as my favorite.
What's your favorite out?
I prefer 32 over 40. I don't always do the same thing. Sometimes I'll set up for 36. (Editor's Note: This is a trick question - I believe the right answer is "Whatever out I'm shooting at!" Another response that I have received is great "I have all 21 favorite outs...")
What kind of practice games do you throw? How often?
If I am strictly practicing, I don't play regular games. When I'm practicing, I usually focus on my form, grip and release to get a consistent throw. I like to throw 100 darts at 20 and count how many I hit.
Are you a natural darter cause you're pretty darn good and consistent?!!!
I don't know if I'm a natural, but I have decent hand-eye coordination and muscle control. I try to analyze how others throw and how I throw. I try to relate it to other sports, like golf or a free throw in basketball. I try to have the same routine. This starts on my approach to the line. I do it the same every time. Being balanced is also important, so I try not to move my body or sway. I also try to make my throw with as little movement as possible. One thing that I do different than most, is that I like to throw straight to the board. I don't set up in the center and pivot. If I am set up to shoot at 19, and then move to 17, I'll move to the right on the line.
With regard to your own game, what are your weaknesses that you work to overcome?
I've worked to overcome being emotional during the game. I don't get overexcited about a win, I also don't get down after a loss. I've learned to not rush my throw. I'm able to step back and reset if something doesn't feel right.
Do you ever become frustrated with yourself?
Of course. Everyone goes through bad streaks when the darts just aren't flying right. I do get frustrated when a make a strategic error, such as not setting up an out correctly.
How do you handle defeat? How do you recover from this and move on to the next match?
Defeat is part of the game. I've been playing long enough where I've been a part of just about everything. I've had incredible collapses, and I've seen opponents have incredible comebacks. Of course I've been on the other end of those also. If someone shoots great and beats me when I was shooting great, that's ok. I just use defeat as motivation for the next time.
How do you get into that mental zone?
I don't like to talk much during the match, even with my teammates. Often, I'll step to the side, away from others, between throws. When I'm serious, other than the pregame handshake and "shoot well", I don't say anything. If my opponent shoots a 140, I typically don't say anything. He knows it's a good shot. I don't have to tell him that. I also look for a reason to dislike the opponent. I use it for motivation and focus. Of course, after the game, I'm friendlier.
Is darts mostly mechanics or mostly having that mental focus?
Mechanics is the first part. Consistent mechanics is the key. I've seen good darters with form that is not textbook style, but they are consistent in their movement. Consistency will get you to a good level. Beyond that I think it's mental. I'll let you know when I get to the next level!
What makes the difference from the darts professional and you and me?
I'm not a pro, I can only guess. I would think dedication to practice, and some natural ability are important.
What words of wisdom do you have for the darter just starting out?
Keep a positive attitude. Keep practicing. Anything worth achieving is not easy, so expect some downturns. Focus on your throwing ability, not necessarily wins and losses. Are you getting more consistent?
Who are the darters that you admire and who would you like to meet? If you had dinner with this darter, what would you converse about?
Although I know them already, two of the darters that I admire the most are Ed De Behnke and Kurt Hartmann. Besides being two of the best darters in Windy City Darters, both are great people, too. They are always very friendly and say hi whenever I see them. Both do well in the tournaments, and I think either could be a pro, if they traveled more. Kurt has a very consistent and smooth throw. (Editor's Note: You need to get out more and play more...There's a whole other world of darts outside Chicago!)
On the national level, I'd like to talk with Darin Young and local pro Isen Veljic. It would be great to get their input on what it takes to be a pro.
I've never really spoken much personally with the pros. Of the few that I've met, Dennis Ovens and Colin Lloyd seemed very nice. If I had to chance to talk to Phil Taylor, I'd ask him about his practice routines and get his opinion on my throw.
The worst experiences playing darts??? (Editor's Notes: As if there is such a thing as a worst experience playing darts...)
I haven't had any bad experiences (except for the Snoopy tie incident at The Glenview House, but that's a long story). I don't like it when an opponent is doing something to intentionally distract you when you are throwing. I don't think it shows good sportsmanship. It usually doesn't bother me, but I know they're doing it. In fact, usually, it helps motivate me and I focus better.
As a youngster, what other sports where you involved in and have you always been competitive?
I've always been competitive in any sport. Although I admit that doesn't mean I was always good. Growing up, I liked playing just about everything; baseball, soccer, basketball. I enjoyed other casual activities like volleyball or skiing. I started playing golf around high school age.
How do you describe good sportsmanship?
Shaking hands before a match and exchanging a "shoot well". Acknowledging good darts when you lose. Shaking hands when you win. Don't brag about your win.
Do you think darts are a bar-room game or a sport?
I think its more game. I think a sport needs to athletic, although not everything athletic is a sport. While darts takes coordination and muscle control, it does not require athletic ability (strength, speed, or stamina). Although good darters are very skilled, I don't think they are athletes. I put darts in the same category as pool or bowling.
Do you believe darts belong in the '2012 Olympics? Why and/or why not...
I'd like to see it in the Olympics. Although I doesn't fit my criteria for a sport, there are other "events" in the Olympics that I don't fit my criteria as a sport. Darts has a long history, and is played internationally. I think it should be in the Olympics.
If you had to pick an American Olympic team today, consisting of both men and women, who should be on this team?
I'm not up on all of the Pro darters, but if I had to pick four men and women, I would pick Darin Young, John Kuczynski, Ray Carver and Bill Davis. The women would be Stacy Bromberg, Marilyn Popp, Carolyn Mars and Brenda Roush.
If I could have 1 more on each team, I'd put in some Chicago darters, Isen Veljic for the men and Sharon Riojas or June Leahy for the women.
Do you plan to be at the '2009 Las Vegas PDC Desert Classic in late June/4th of July weekend?
Probably not. I'll travel to more local events in the coming year.
Do you want to watch darts on TV in the states? I do watch it when I can find it. (Editor's Note: When is that? When can you find darts on TV in the states??? I'm serious...)
What do you think it will take to make darts interesting to the masses on television?
Not sure. Maybe cricket, since there is more strategy. Maybe a bit more explanation of the throws and outs in the '01 games.
What kind of work do you do?
I'm an Applications Engineer for Arpac, a packaging machinery builder in Schiller Park, Illinois US.
What are your interests and hobbies away from the line?
I hope to play a bit more golf next summer. I also like to go up the Upper Peninsula of Michigan to fish, hike and ride my bike.
Do you subscribe to Bull's Eye News Magazine? What do you like best about BEN? What do you want to see more of in BEN? And if you're not a subscriber, why not?
I do subscribe. I'd like to see instructional articles, whether its strategy or form. Reviews of the larger national tournaments would be nice. They post results, but it would be nice to see a story or review of the tournament, such as the host location or the number of darters in attendance. This might be helpful to a darter who hasn't been there and is thinking about attending.
Lastly, are you looking for a mixed-double's partner for the next Cup???? Really. And I could use some dart lessons from you between now and then...
I've rarely thrown in the mixed events, so I don't have a partner. If you want to throw, I'll do it.
Okay, it's a date! Set your calendar and plan on it - I'm just as competitive as you!
One last thing Eric! For all the passionate darter single gals out there - are you single and looking? You are a very nice man and should be as happy as happy can be!
Well, I am single now, and am looking for someone nice. I suppose being a bit quiet and spending too much time playing darts, doesn't help!
Mary Yang (in the white shirt) and Dave Yang (Tom Terzic is not pictured...)
who stands out a bit differently than everyone else! Right? Right!!!
Thanks to Eric for indulging me with this interview. Good luck to you Eric both in darts and in life. It's a pleasure having you on my Saturday team out of the Reef and being your oppponent on Thursday nights where you shoot for Rocky Vanders. Thank you very much for your candid thoughts...